TrackMania² Stadium at the ESWC 2013

09 May

Written by kalimerre in Competition / Trackmania² Stadium

ESWC has announced 3 new games as official disciplines and TrackMania² Stadium is in.
Discover the statement published on Facebook by ESWC :

"We are very pleased today to confirm 3 additional games titles as official discplines for ESWC 2013:

Dota 2 on PC (5v5), © Valve Software
EA SPORTS FIFA on PS3 (1v1), © EA Sports
TrackMania² Stadium on PC (1v4), © Nadeo Ubisoft

2012 champions already have the right to participate to defend their Titles: Team Natus Vincere of Ukraine for Dota 2, Bruce 'Spank' Grannec for FIFA, Tim 'Spam' Lunenburg from Netherlands and Kasperi 'Klovni' Aaltonen from Finland for TrackMania.

All other competitors around the world will have to win their participation through online and offline qualifying, whose modalities will be presented end of May on ESWC.com."

Spam (ESWC TMNF 2012 Champion) & Klovni (ESWC TM2C 2012 Champion) will be invited for TrackMania. And we know that the modalities for the qualifications will be released in 15 days.

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#21 by

serujio on 2013-05-10 at 16:08

#16 I thought Ubisoft or Nadeo had the decision on picking the 2 games or not, by paying prizes and everything, but it seems it´s ESWC.

#22 by

Jonthekiller on 2013-05-10 at 16:34

#21 ESWC is independant (and better like this), they can choose all games they want.

The TrackMania community need to be happy to have one game at the ESWC. Some other community don't have this chance.

#23 by

znik on 2013-05-10 at 16:46

Me thinks this is relay great, me thinks.

#12 Let's hope they can fix most of those issues before ESWC idd

Gogo klovni!

#24 by

serujio on 2013-05-10 at 16:58

#22 I guess it doesnt make sense that they choose a game so small as Canyon last year, if they do it by themselves, or even maybe Stadium, so I bet Ubisoft and Nadeo are involved. Proof of that is the big presentation they do in the event.

#25 by

Minato on 2013-05-10 at 17:29

What should spectators trust if every year they come they watch another version of the game? Would they think that the game is professional if organizers always change their mind?

I could ask the same question concerning the question why they choose TM2S instead of TM2C.

#26 by

Jonthekiller on 2013-05-10 at 17:51

#24 For last year I think it was because TMF was at the end of life, and was better to propose 2 games. For this year, the best is Stadium. Sorry for Canyon players but Stadium is better for the TrackMania eSport scene for this year. To grow Canyon, the best will be to develop competitions, try to convince teams to have some players..., and after it will maybe go again at ESWC. We have at the moment only 3 top teams on Canyon and it's not enough. It's not the job of Nadeo, ESWC... to develop more the game but it's the job of the community.

Just follow the news on mA about Canyon and Stadium, we can see more motivated people on Stadium. Stadium is free and have more people but the community need to work together if it want to grow.

#27 by

Laurens on 2013-05-10 at 17:52 Modified 2013-05-10 at 17:53

Canyon > Stadium, but stadium guys are just too stupid to go on canyon..

#28 by

nahoy on 2013-05-10 at 18:03

I disgree. already TM2 = stadium and canyon. Why just stadium? it seems wrong to me, why not two tournaments with cash and lots divided into two. Moreover to the two previous lans GA and cap arena level TM2C was amazing, and the show was there. So in my opinion the level of ESWC will be exeptional. I do not see where is the right decision here, I just see a beta game, take the advantage of a game that has difficult to develop this small problem as above. Then we say that trackmania has a large community, I am disappointed because every players stadium hate canyon and they are happy that there are no canyon in ESWC. This decision divided the community in two part. In addition if there are just canyon on eswc i am sure that the players canyon would share cash price , lots and create stadium tournament. Anyway I see that players stadium arenot the same mentality ,they will go at ESWC good for them. I do not see how this canyon can develop under these conditions ,must stop 2s. TM2 is a game stadium is part of the game, canyon is another. Then it has been 10 years since stadium is present (not necessarily in the ESWC) must change . This is my point of view.

#29 by

frostBeule on 2013-05-10 at 18:18 Modified 2013-05-10 at 19:03

Laurens: you really should consider what you're writing a bit more carefully. Throwing insults won't get you far, trust me. Many Stadium players tried Canyon when it was new because it was advertised as a sequel to it, but they simply prefered Stadium instead and went back to it.

I don't really understand what you guys mean when you say Canyon would be better suited game for this. Sure, it's decent, but I think many have the opinion that Stadium got better depth to it and is more interesting/more suited as an esports that way. It also has many more players, and in addition the quality of the players is much better. One could also argue that the game got better aesthetics among other things. Take this from someone who's played both games at the highest level.

But perhaps most importantly is that Stadium is now 7 years old and has built up quite a esports-legacy with 7 different world champions over the years. I strongly believe it's much better to continue that legacy that's been built up and just focus on 1 title; it doesn't make sense at all to tear it down... This is for example what Valve realized and are now attempting to do with CS GO, and their situation really is quite similar to ours if you think about it. Another example would be Blizzard and Starcraft where they tried really hard to make WoL a worthy successor to BW (which was a staple in esports for over 10 years), and then make HotS a worthy successor to WoL, to continue the same legacy throughout all the games. And look at where they are now.

I don't think it makes sense for TrackMania games to compete with each-other when it comes to representing TrackMania in esports based on all this. No one will gain anything by it - there's now proof of it; It is a lose-lose situation and this has been the case ever since Canyon got released which has put us in quite a bad place to be honest. That's the reality we live in. For me this is the obvious right choice.

Now, like ArtiShöw said the game is far from ready at the moment, and I really hope Nadeo will prioritize the game to fix all those things. Right now TMNF is still the superior game which really is not ideal. You want people to easily switch over the new game, otherwise you risk splitting the community even more than it already is.

Tartopome: what are the chances of you guys using a different game mode for ESWC? I think the current Cup Mode is really bad. I write a bit about why I think so, and what could replace it in this topic: http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic.php?f=470&t=17609

Would be great if you could take a look at it and say what you think!

#30 by

Laurens on 2013-05-10 at 18:41

frostBeule, you're a very good player and I have a lot of respect for you.. but you're taking advantage of all possible ways, that's really bad!

At the moment, I hope both games die.. I'll not continue in one of them most likely.. let's try SM

#31 by

znik on 2013-05-10 at 19:16

People talk about uniting the communities by having both games at the events, but what is so uniting about that? There will still be 2 splitted communities, splitted prizes, splitted everything. Because we can clearly see that those who love stadium, prefer to stay stadium and vice versa, simply because of what frostbeule described: The aesthetics and game depth is very different. If Canyon really had more attractive driving physics and was better suited for esport, then why haven't we seen an increase in activity and popularity by now?

If we look at this in an objective way, ESWC have now picked the most popular TrackMania environment, which has been the most popular esport environment since the very beginning. And of course the stadium people will love this because it opens up for more prize money, more player spots and so forth. It surely is sad for those who like Canyon better, but you have to understand that you are on the "wrong" side of trackmania when it comes to popularity and successful history within e-sport.

#32 by

Laurens on 2013-05-10 at 19:49

Let's give an actual example:
Today there is the ESL Spring cup #1.. 32/32 allowed players are inscribed, 12 unconfirmed ==> ideal proof no?
anyway, stadium has more activity in the servers, but it's for sure less exciting than canyon.

#33 by

Spam on 2013-05-10 at 20:35

I don't want to come out as an asshole but Laurens have you actually looked back at all of you recent posts? You have added nothing but negative opinions in this topic. I consider you as a toxic influence for the community. Atleast be happy there is a Trackmania game in there.

Now for further opinions, I would agree with the updates there still need to be done to the game before the event in oktober.

A great example of this gameplay wise would be ofcourse the option to disable the lighting and shadows like artishow mentioned above. I would love to see the ESL cupmode being used for once in a offline event and see how this works out.

Thats it from me have fun and see you in Paris :)

#34 by

Extreme on 2013-05-10 at 22:00

#28 We(stadium players)cannot do anything about canyon...eswc decide to take just 1 game for eswc,and they decide to take the one that is most suitable for eSports.
So happy about this....as spam said hope so see the updates and the esl cupmode for the event

#35 by

Teka on 2013-05-10 at 23:31 Modified 2013-05-11 at 11:11

Then we say that trackmania has a large community, I am disappointed because every players stadium hate canyon and they are happy that there are no canyon in ESWC.

Personally I don't hate Canyon, I bought the game and played a lot of time on it. But now, when I see that most of TMC players on this topic are like "OMG TAKE MY GAME, TMNF IS BAAAAD", yes I'm happy for those mens.

#36 by

Majo on 2013-05-10 at 23:57

#35
"But now, when I see that most of TMC players on this topic are like "OMG TAKE MY GAME, TMNF IS BAAAAD", yes I'm happy.

i see only one... so dont say that all Canyon players are haters now.

So i want to say something too.
Maybe the Stadium drivers, specially frost, can explain me why stadium is better for the esport as canyon ?!? Only coz Stadium have more active players? yes its true. But stadium have still the same worldclass drivers on each cup. or not ? In the last 2 Years we saw so many great finals in every Canyon cup... different lines = same speed, no landing,rammstein,-whatever Bug, what had decided the round.
So for me, is canyon the better envi to watch for the public guys. I just remember the eswc 2012 canyon final for example.

Next think is: Sure the esl cup mode is more fair for the players, but the normal cup mode is more exciting for the viewers... thats the fact!

i have the same opinion, that just one envi its the best choice! And for me ,it was clear, that it is Stadium... because its the newest envi in MP ;)

#26
"We have at the moment only 3 top teams on Canyon and it's not enough."

wtf ?!? why you talk about teams, when we discuss here about a solo cup...

At least, we can be happy, that TM is still one of the most popular racing game. We will see what nadeo make with canyon in the future, when they dont sponsoring it now, its a dead game on the esport.

#37 by

Jonthekiller on 2013-05-11 at 00:56

It's a solo cup but the number of teams is important in this case too, because more teams, more viewers...

#38 by

Railag on 2013-05-11 at 01:44

#36

why stadium is better for the esport as canyon ?!?

Hmm if you've played both games long enough you wouldn't have asked this question...

But stadium have still the same worldclass drivers

Well you can say this about pretty much every game

but the normal cup mode is more exciting for the viewers... thats the fact!

That's just your opinion, not a fact

#39 by

nahoy on 2013-05-11 at 02:10

#34 yes you cannot do anything but players stadium say: it s the good decison. Where is the good decision? That there is one game and there is not canyon.
#35 all player canyon dont hate stadium. For me, i follow and watch tournament stadium.it s not because one player like: tmnf is bad. It s the drama. It s just a point of view
#36 +1
Then there are more player in stadium,its true. But In eswc there are 16 slots last years, if its the same, these slots will be complet with great player. Don t need 100 good players for a lan.
#37 it s not because there are more team that there are more viewer... There are maximum 10 player in a team of tm. In eswc tm player represent 1/400 viewer , so for me it s not an argument.

#40 by

ArtiShöw on 2013-05-11 at 03:35

At the moment, I hope both games die.. I'll not continue in one of them most likely.. let's try SM

Congratulations Laurens!, thanks to this sentence you are now ranked as #1 on Hylis' blacklist just in front of frostBeule and me :D

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